>>Amanda Holpuch, The New York Times Company
Published: 2022-01-13 01:41:50 BdST
In the interview with Steve Inskeep, a co-host of NPR’s Morning Edition, Trump discussed the coronavirus pandemic and his campaign to discredit results of the 2020 election, according to a transcript of the interview NPR posted on its website Wednesday morning.
At several points in the interview, Inskeep pushed back against false claims about the 2020 election, in one instance noting the failed lawsuits by Trump’s campaign and its allies. “Your own lawyers had no evidence of fraud, they said in court they had no evidence of fraud, and the judges ruled against you every time on the merits,” Inskeep said.
After a lengthy back-and-forth over the election results, Trump asked how he could have lost the presidential election to Joe Biden, who he falsely claimed did not attract crowds during the campaign.
Inskeep said: “If you’ll forgive me, maybe because the election was about you. If I can just move on to ask, are you telling Republicans in 2022 that they must press your case on the past election in order to get your endorsement? Is that an absolute?”
Trump responded: “They are going to do whatever they want to do — whatever they have to do, they’re going to do.”
He continued to speak about his false claim that the 2020 election was “rigged” while Inskeep tried to interject.
Trump then abruptly ended the interview.
“So Steve, thank you very much,” he said. “I appreciate it.”
“Whoa, whoa, whoa, I have one more question,” said Inskeep, who began to ask about a court hearing on Monday related to the Capitol riot by a pro-Trump mob last year. He then stopped himself, saying, “He’s gone. OK.”
At the Monday hearing in the US District Court for Washington, lawyers argued that Trump, by inspiring the riot, was liable for major financial damages.
It was not clear how much of the question Trump heard before ending the interview.
Early in the interview, Inskeep asked Trump about the coronavirus pandemic and what the former president would tell people who have not been vaccinated. Trump, who said in December that he had received a COVID-19 vaccine booster shot, told Inskeep that he recommended that people take the vaccine but that he did not support vaccine mandates.
Inskeep then asked how useful it was for Republicans to talk about the 2020 election before this year’s midterms, noting that Sen. Mike Rounds, R-S.D, told ABC over the weekend that the presidential election was not rigged.
“No, I think it’s an advantage, because otherwise they’re going to do it again in ’22 and ’24,” Trump said. “And Rounds is wrong on that, totally wrong.”
Inskeep then raised several instances in which Trump’s allies and election officials disputed his false claims of widespread election fraud. Trump repeated his claim and criticized Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky, the minority leader.
The abrupt end of the interview recalled an episode in October 2020 when Trump, then the president, cut off an interview with “60 Minutes” at the White House and then taunted the interviewer, Lesley Stahl, on Twitter. Twitter permanently barred Trump from its site in the aftermath of the Capitol riot, saying it made the decision “due to the risk of further incitement of violence.”
According to the transcript, Inskeep started the interview by telling Trump that he had first invited him to talk in 2015. Inskeep also explained that the interview was being prerecorded and that it should take about 15 minutes. “Very good,” Trump responded.
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